ELSIE BOUDREAU: Good day everyone. Welcome. Thank you for joining today's webinar to discuss phase one of the application process for OVC's Fiscal Year 2025 Tribal Victim Services Set-Aside Solicitation. We're so glad that you're here. Now I will turn it over to LeBretia White from the OVC Tribal Division to get us started. LeBretia?
LEBRETIA WHITE: Greetings everyone and thank you so much Elsie. As Elsie stated, I am LeBretia White, the director of the Tribal Division in the Office for Victims of Crime and I'm so delighted to welcome you to this informational webinar on how to submit your population certificates.
Your certificate submissions are critical to informing the calculations for FY 2025 Tribal Victim Services Set-Aside allocations for grant awards or we typically refer to Tribal Victim Services Set-Aside as TVSSA. As many of you may already be aware, in FY 2018, Congress created the first Set-Aside from the Crime Victims Fund to improve services for victims of crime.
The program is open to federally recognized Indian Tribes and is administered via a formula. At present, we're awaiting to learn how much funding will be available for FY 2025 TVSSA Awards. The amount of funding under the Set-Aside has varied from year to year based on congressional authorization.
For example, the Set-Aside totaled about 133 million in FY 2018, but it decreased to 95 million in FY 2023 and to 67.6 million in FY 2024. Again, the amount being made available for FY 2025 awards is pending passage of an appropriations bill for the Department of Justice. Once we learn of available funding, we will use your population data that you will be submitting in January or by January to calculate each Tribe's allocation for this non-competitive formula program.
What I'll say is all federally recognized Tribes, including those that previously received a TVSSA award in FY 2024 or earlier are invited to submit your population certification. A link to the online form has been placed in the chat. There is no requirement to request TVSSA funds annually.
For example, if a Tribe received awards in FY 2023 and 2024 and decides not to request FY 25 funding, that decision is perfectly fine, and that same Tribe will also be eligible to request FY 2026 and any future allocations. So, the choice is yours but there is no penalty or challenge if a Tribe decides to skip a year and not accepting their funds.
For those of you who have not yet submitted your population certification or have not sought funding in the past, I want to share some of the unique features of the TVSSA formula program, many of which were implemented after consultations like the one we had just a couple of weeks ago.
First and foremost, again, this is a non-competitive program. We are not asking Tribes to compete for this funding. It's population based. It's a population based formula program. Tribes tell us what the population to be served is, be it enrolled members, residents of a specific community, reservation or village or another parameter that you have established your specific guidelines for that. So, the population numbers for the formula come from you and not the government.
Applicants can choose the project period for annual awards to be anywhere from 12 to 60 months. Applicants also have the option to complete a checklist or an interview instead of writing a traditional program narrative. We've offered this a couple of years now and during the FY 2024 application period, we had five Tribal division staff who visited multiple cities in Alaska to conduct 31 in-person interviews and provide technical assistance.
Additionally, OVC staff hosted 47 virtual interviews with other applicants in Alaska and the lower 48. We are really invested in supporting you through the application process. Allowable expenses include those related to culturally specific victim services, which can include traditional arts, ceremonies and foods as part of ceremonial healing response to an individual who has undergone trauma and seeks to become aligned with the community and restored to health and balance.
Through this grant program, you have the option to spend funds on construction expenses. We currently have over 45 TVSSA program funded construction projects that are underway, and we funded 19 new construction projects just a few months ago in FY 2024.
Grantees are really using funds accordingly to ensure that they have adequate housing. Some grantees have constructed tiny homes. They're using modular buildings or refabricated buildings. They are also renovating existing buildings to serve for shelter, emergency shelter placements for victims and their family members and/or they're using the construction related expenses or costs for office space.
Grantees can use funds to address the needs of families of missing persons. We believe this change that took place just a few years ago creates an opportunity for Tribal communities to direct much needed funding towards serving the loved ones of missing or murdered Indigenous persons.
We've also removed, there had been a 3% cap on funding to support searches and other related efforts for missing persons. There is no longer a cap, that's been removed, and I hope you find that to be good news. In FY 2024, 10 applications were received from first time applicants for OVC. If your Tribe has not previously applied for TVSSA funding, we appreciate your interest and look forward to receiving your population certificate.
Also, just to remind you, the National Indian Nations Conference, which is scheduled for December 10th through the 13th, 2024, on the reservation of Agua Caliente Band of Cahuilla Indians near downtown Palm Springs, California. Want to make you aware registration is now open. I hope to see you all there. I hope you've already registered and if you haven't to please do so as soon as you possibly can.
If you're coming, please take note that ahead of the conference, we're hosting an in-person listening session for our TVSSA grantees the morning of December 10th. Information about joining that listening session is up on our website and we'll also be dropping a link in the chat for you to be able to access information about the conference as well as the listening session. And again, hope to see you at both of those events.
I'm going to close my remarks by once again thanking you for joining us today and please know we look forward to providing you with support as you prepare to submit your population certification information, which is due by January 17th, 2025.
Now, at this time I will turn over today's presentation to Ramesa Pitts to provide you with critical information on the population certification process. Again, thank you for joining and please go about the remainder of this webinar and your day in a good way. Ramesa?
RAMESA PITTS: Hello and thank you LeBretia. I just wanted to turn on my camera just for a few minutes. I'll turn it off so that you can better concentrate on the webinar and the information that we wish to share today. But again, my name is Ramesa Pitts. I am a grant manager in the OVC Tribal Division, and I would again like to thank you for joining today's pop cert webinar.
There are two other presenters you will hear from today, Barbara "Bonnie" Robertson. She is the Victim Justice Program Specialist with OVC's Tribal Division and Melissa Lopez. She is the training and technical assistance specialist with OVC's Tribal Victim Services Training and Technical Assistance team known as T-VSTTA.
We are also joined by two additional OVC Tribal Division team members, Kimberly Woodard and Tanya Miller. Kimberly and Tanya will be helping us to monitor the Q&A and answer questions as we proceed with the presentation. Please feel free to submit your questions through the Q&A feature instead of the chat. Let's take a look at today's agenda. Next slide please.
As you can see from the agenda, we are going to start our time together with an overview of OVC, the Tribal Division at OVC, and the Tribal Victim Services Set-Aside program before we walk you through the certification form and how to submit it. We'll round things out with a brief review of additional resources and tools to aid you in finding other US DOJ grant opportunities.
We have built in opportunities for us to pause during the presentation to answer some questions, but we have also reserved time at the end of the presentation for Q&A. Let's take a look at OVC. Next slide please.
Here is a little background on OVC. OVC has been administering the Federal Crime Victims Fund for more than 35 years. The fund established by the Federal Victims of Crime Act of 1984, also known as VOCA, is financed by fines and penalties paid by persons convicted in federal cases not from tax dollars.
Each year, Congress allocates a portion of the proceeds in the Crime Victims Fund to OVC as part of US DOJ's Appropriation Bill. OVC uses these funds to support a diverse array of programming and initiatives including federal victim assistance programs, state crime victims compensation programs, the state VOCA from the grant programs, programs to assist communities impacted by mass violence and individual victims of overseas terrorism, a variety of discretionary grant award programs, training and technical assistance initiatives, and so much more.
OVC is organized into five divisions including the Tribal Division. And next we're going to learn more about what the Tribal Division does. Next slide please.
OVC's Tribal Division is led by Director LeBretia White who just introduced herself and our two deputy directors, Yolanda Curtis Gibson and Kara McDonagh. Our staff includes 14 grant managers and a senior Tribal affairs specialist.
We manage more than 900 grant awards and work closely with more than 300 individual grantees, including federally recognized Tribes, Tribal consortia, authorized designees of federally recognized Tribes and non-profit Tribal organizations who are providing victim services throughout Indian country.
So just to give you a little bit more about the Tribal Division, the Tribal Division manages three discretionary grant award programs in addition to TVSSA. We will only be soliciting applications for one of the discretionary grant programs this fiscal year, which is CTAS Purpose Area 6. And the FY 25 solicitation will be available within the next few weeks. So now we will pause for a poll question. Next slide please.
Before we start our overview of this year's Set-Aside program, we'd like to gain a better understanding of how familiar you may be with the TVSSA program. Today's polling question is, did your community participate in the Tribal Set-Aside Formula Grant Program in FY 2024 or years prior?
You should already see a window with the polling question and your response options should be open on your screen. As you can see from the screen, 81% said yes that you're familiar with the, that you've applied in previous years. FY 24 or previous years and then 10% said no and then the other 10% said that you're unsure.
The big takeaway from this is no matter what your response was, we hope that there will be some takeaways from today's webinar that will assist you in understanding the pop cert process. Thank you for responding to this polling question and now I will turn things over to my colleague Bonnie to continue with the presentation.
BARBARA ROBERTSON: Hi, thank you Ramesa. Hello everyone. My name is Barbara, also known as Bonnie Robertson. And as Ramesa noted earlier, I'm the victim justice program specialist at OVC in the Tribal Division. I'd like to welcome you all here today and I'm glad to see that there's a mix of people here.
Some people have gone through the process before, and others are new. Welcome everyone. I am going to turn my camera off so you can focus more on the information being provided as we move along.
This slide summarizes some of the most important things to keep in mind about the TVSSA program. We'll take a closer look at some of the program's features in a few minutes. As of right now, as LeBretia stated, OVC does not know whether there will be a Tribal Set-Aside for fiscal year 2025 and if there is, we don't know what the amount of funds that might be available through fiscal year 2025 Set-Aside.
OVC is proceeding with the established application process for fiscal year 2025 in anticipation that Congress is going to authorize a Tribal Set-Aside for this year as it has done since fiscal year 2018.
Let's take a look at who's eligible to apply for the TVSSA program. There are only three categories of eligible applicants for the TVSSA program. Individual federally recognized Tribes, a consortium of federally recognized Tribes and applicants who are acting as the authorized designees of a federally recognized Tribe.
Now we're going to take a closer look at the last two categories, consortia and authorized designees. Typically, OVC receives TVSSA applications from Tribal consortia in one of two ways. Applications that are submitted by an established existing Tribal consortium whose membership consists of multiple federally recognized Tribes.
These established consortia can consist of formal inter-tribal councils or organizations that the member Tribes organized to meet a critical need for their members such as healthcare, courts, or public safety.
The second type of consortia applicants we see come from individually federally recognized Tribes to submit a proposal seeking funds to support victim services for their community as well as at least one other federally recognized Tribe. Now sometimes it's worked a little different in Alaska and we're aware of that so there may be a combination of the two up in Alaska.
Let's take a closer look at authorized designees. This slide summarizes what an authorized designee is and offers examples of who can act as one. The key takeaway is that almost any legal entity can act as the authorized designee of a federally recognized Tribe.
What is most important is that an applicant seeking TVSSA funding as an authorized designee of a Tribe demonstrates that they have the legal authority to submit an application on behalf of a federally recognized Tribe or Tribes.
Now we'll review a special application requirement for authorized designees and Tribal consortia applicants. Next slide please. Tribal consortia and authorized designee applicants are the only two categories of the TVSSA applicants who must submit a Tribal resolution with their applications.
As detailed by the slide, there are alternative means of satisfying this Tribal resolution requirement. The link in the slide will take you to OJP's Grant Application Resource Guide, which has a more detailed discussion on how to satisfy this requirement. We'll also add the link in the chat now.
You'll hear more about this in a few minutes, but Tribal consortia and authorized designees must satisfy the Tribal resolution requirement during part one of the TVSSA application process. Tribal consortia and authorized designees who do not submit their resolution or resolutions contemporaneously with their population certification form will not receive a funding allocation amount and will not be invited to submit a full application in part two of the application process.
In other words, if you are a consortia or an authorized designee, you must include the Tribal resolutions for each member Tribe that you are applying on behalf of with your population certification form. Now we'll take a closer look at the common scenario involving Tribal consortia and authorized designee applicants.
If you're applying as a Tribal consortium or authorized designee applicant and the federally recognized Tribe or Tribes who authorized you to apply for funding on their behalf, submit their own population certification form, OVC will accept the Tribe's submission.
For authorized designees’ applicants, that means you will not be invited to submit a full TVSSA application in part two of the TVSSA application process. Tribal consortia applicants can still be invited to submit a full application in part two of the application process, but OVC will reduce the total award allocation by the formula allocation for the associated tier of each Tribe who backs out of the consortium application.
For example, if a consortium exists of five member Tribes, two whose population tiers were tier one, two whose populations were tier three and one whose population was tier five and the one tier one and one tier three applied on their own, then you would only receive a final funding allocation for the three remaining Tribes in your consortia. Now this doesn't mean that you can't serve these Tribes, it's only that the amount that was allocated to them will be removed from your total award.
So now let's talk about the award period. As was mentioned a little while ago, Congress has not appropriated funding for US DOJ for fiscal year 2025 and OVC is therefore unable to determine how much funding Congress might authorize for a Tribal Set-Aside this fiscal year.
We also do not know how much funding each applicant will be allocated this fiscal year because we don't know the amount for the Set-Aside, and we have not yet received population certification forms. The total number of forms and the population totals included in those forms are necessary for OVC to determine the individual award amount.
The period of performance start date for your application can be either October 1st or January 1st, 2026. If you are a new applicant to OVC and you've never applied for TVSSA funding, please move forward with the January 1st, 2026 start date. For all others, please talk to your existing grant manager to determine which date if you want to go with the October 1, 2025.
As LeBretia shared earlier also, you have a choice of 12 to 60 months for your project period. So, as I mentioned previously, submitting a population certification form is the first part of the two part TVSSA application process.
Staff from OVC's Tribal Division will review each certification form for accuracy, completeness, and eligibility. We will contact you if there are any technical issues with your form and please respond to our inquiry within 48 hours if we reach out to you.
Right now, you do not need to submit any other forms other than the population certification form and a Tribal resolution if you are applying as a Tribal consortium or authorized designee.
If you are invited to submit a full application under part two of the application process, you will need to submit all the required application components in JustGrants during part two. We anticipate that deadline to submit part two documents in JustGrants will be late spring 2025.
Let's take a minute and pause and see if there's any questions in the Q&A that we can answer in the next few minutes and then we'll move forward with the presentation. Tanya, Kimberly, are there any questions in the Q&A?
KIMBERLY WOODARD: Yes, Bonnie, there's one unanswered question. Is the population certification form in JustGrants? Where do we find it? No, this is an online form. The link to the online form was entered in the chat previously. And if we can have that entered again, this is not in JustGrants, this is online.
You need to follow the link and complete the form and once you complete it and submit it, you will get an email confirmation. We'll be talking a little bit more about that process in depth in a couple of minutes.
BONNIE ROBERTSON: Okay. And I see some other questions coming in. Is there anything else we can answer now or?
KIMBERLY WOODARD: No, I'm sorry, I didn't want to talk over you Bonnie. No, the only thing that's pending in the Q&A is just a comment on the last question that we answered. There's nothing else pending right now.
BONNIE ROBERTSON: Okay. Okay. Some of you may recall that OVC previously allowed applicants to resubmit the same population certification form each year in the past, when we used a fillable PDF version of the form. However, OVC transitioned to using an online form in fiscal year 2023.
OVC now downloads the data that you submit in the online form into an Excel spreadsheet, and this makes the internal review process more efficient and helps us make sure that the information is accurate and complete. OVC's transition to an online version of the form means that all applicants must submit a new population certification form each year.
You can enter the same population data that you submitted in the past into the fiscal year 2025 form if nothing has changed.
Now I'm going to turn things over to Melissa Lopez from T-VSTTA to walk you through where to find the form and how to complete it.
MELISSA LOPEZ: Thank you, Bonnie. Hello everybody. You will find links to the FY 2025 TVSSA form and other related resources on the OVC TVSSA homepage, and we dropped the link in the chat.
First, you'll provide background information, and this should look familiar to those of you who've submitted certifications before. Make sure that the name you enter for your Tribe or organization matches the legal entity name for your Tribal organization in SAM.gov.
Please note that all TVSSA applicants must have an active SAM.gov registration before they can submit part two of the application. If you have never registered in SAM.gov or have an expired registration, you are strongly encouraged to update it as soon as possible.
We ask for two points of contact that we can reach out to with questions or follow up information. Please enter the names of two different people who are familiar with the certification form and your responses to it as well as the status of the application.
Another important note, the email confirmation will go to the address listed in the primary contact field. OVC will also receive a copy for its record.
Next, you'll be asked to choose your applicant type. If you choose authorized designee or Tribal consortium, you'll be asked to upload an authorizing Tribal resolution or a legal equivalent.
As we heard earlier, authorized designee or Tribal consortium applicants are only eligible to apply for TVSSA funds if they have been authorized to submit an application on behalf of a federally recognized Tribe or Tribes. The resolution that you submit will serve to document that you have satisfied the TVSSA eligibility requirements by obtaining the required authorization from a federally recognized Tribe or Tribes to submit an application.
OVC will not be able to consider your application if you do not submit a resolution or its legal equivalent. Please know that you can only upload one file, but it can be a zipped folder. If your file exceeds 256 megabytes, please reach out to discuss how to transfer your documentation.
OVC recognizes that Tribes are diverse. Federal data sets on Tribal populations are imperfect and no single data set currently available independently represents all Tribes. Your population source response must be sufficiently detailed enough for OVC and/or a potential future auditor to independently locate the information source.
For example, the US Census is too vague. The 2020 US Census, on the other hand, alerts the reader to the specific US Census that you consulted to find the total population to be served. In general, OVC suggests using a population number that is well established for the applicant Tribe and that bears a reasonable relation to the victim services that the Tribe anticipates providing.
OVC suggests that Tribes use one of the following as the basis for their certification but will accept others and those are Tribal resident population, Tribal enrollment, and Tribal service population. Once you've collected all of your data and verified that the certifying official approves its accuracy, you are ready to add the certifying official's information to the form. When you have entered this data, please carefully review everything and then submit the form.
After you submit your certification form, the individual who submitted the form as well as the primary and secondary points of contact will receive an automated email confirming that OVC has received your submission.
The email will include the data that you entered into the form and if you attach a resolution, a copy of the resolution will be attached to the confirmation email. If you do not receive a confirmation email or if you identify a data entry error, please email OVC's Tribal Set-Aside email for technical assistance.
This slide summarizes your options for hands-on support as you prepare and submit your population certification form. Email OVC with technical questions about the TVSSA program. You can contact T-VSTTA staff for help completing your certification form or drop in for T-VSTTA's office hours.
We do not have dates or times for the office hours quite yet, but these will be virtual events held via Zoom and we will announce the dates and times within the next few weeks. Now we'll pause to answer some questions.
KIMBERLY WOODARD: There are no questions pending. The last question I just answered though may be helpful for others to hear the answer. The question is, can we submit other Tribes served if another Tribe is including them also? I think I may have misapprehended this question when I first read it.
I thought you were asking whether you could seek funding on behalf of another federally recognized Tribe. My response was that no one can seek funding on behalf of another federally recognized Tribe unless you have a resolution giving you the legal authority to seek funding on its behalf.
But this question, reading it again, can we submit other Tribes served if another Tribe is including them also? The answer to that is no. If you are, I'm not quite sure what type of Tribe or organization submitted this question, but if one Tribe is participating in a Tribal consortium application, then they could not participate in a second Tribal consortium application. I hope that answers the question.
We do have one other question. After I fill out the form, where do I upload the form in JustGrants? Again, this is not a form that goes into JustGrants. This is a web-based form. We've entered the link for the form into the chat.
Once you submit the form, complete it and submit it online. Then you will receive an automated email confirmation confirming that we have received your submission. And it will also show you how you responded to the questions. Please hold onto that email confirmation.
But again, this is not a form that goes into JustGrants. There's no action for anyone to take in JustGrants at this point for the FY 25 Set-Aside, the only thing you need to do is to submit the online form using the link that's in the chat. And I think that is it for questions right now. I'll turn things back over to our presenters.
RAMESA PITTS: Thanks Kimberly and Melissa. What happens next? It is important to know that over the course of the next 120 days, OVC will complete a number of tasks critical to the Tribal Victim Services Set-Aside award making process.
Once we have completed our internal review of the population certification forms and applied the Tribal Victim Services Set-Aside population based formula, we will determine award allocation amounts based on the amount of the Set-Aside.
We will also determine the total number of population certification forms that are approved to move on to part two of the application process. And we will determine the total population to be served by each applicant.
The certifying official identified on your form will receive an invitation to submit a full application under the Tribal Victim Services Set-Aside program solicitation along with the table organized by state and applicant name, which shows the total amount of funding allocated to each applicant. The table will also be available on OVC's Tribal Victim Services Set-Aside website.
We are now nearing the end of our formal presentation, but before we wind things down, we'd like to highlight some important resources and upcoming events that we think you should know about.
We definitely encourage you to visit OVC's TVSSA webpage for the latest information on OVC's Tribal specific programming and initiatives, including materials and information to help you with the FY 2025 TVSSA application process. Through this webpage, you also have the opportunity to hear about OVC's grant solicitations as they are released.
As it relates to additional resources, OVC administers many discretionary grant programs for which Tribes are eligible to apply, including the largest share of grant funds authorized by the Federal Trafficking Victims Protection Act. If you subscribe to OVC's News Service, you can receive announcements about these solicitations as they are released.
You can also sign up to receive notices from other OJP offices on a wide range of public safety issues. This is also another important resource to help you find the FY 2025 grant solicitations from all of the DOJ grant making components.
Again, additional resources, each fiscal year, US DOJ publishes a searchable database of all of the solicitations that OJP, COPS and OVW have issued or plans to issue, which can be found under the Department of Justice Grants Program Plan. The FY 2025 plan has not been released yet, but we encourage you to bookmark the page and check back for the FY 25 update. The link is embedded in this slide, but we'll also post the link in the chat.
We want to remind you of two events we have scheduled for next month. The director, LeBretia White, has made mention of the particular events, these upcoming events.
One is that OVC invites all of our current TVSSA grantees to join us for an in-person listening session on Tuesday, December 10th, 2024, from 10:00 AM to 11:30 AM at the Palm Springs Convention Center at the Agua Caliente Band of Cahuilla Indian Reservation in Palm Springs, California.
This is the in-person only listening session, which will give TVSSA grantees a chance to share their thoughts, ideas, and recommendations about how OVC can improve the TVSSA program. We've added the registration link for the listening session to the chat, so you should be able to see that.
It is also important to know that since 1988, the Office for Victims of Crime known as OVC has sponsored 17 Indian Nations Justice for Victims of Crime Conferences, also known as the Indian Nations Conference. These conferences have attracted thousands of Tribal, state, local, and federal personnel responsible for meeting the needs of American Indian and Alaska Native victims of crime.
The purpose of the conference ties in with two Department of Justice strategic goals, including the prevention and intervention of crimes against vulnerable populations and the upholding of the rights of and improved services to America's crime victims. The theme of this year's conference is healing and continuing to stay rooted.
The conference is open to all Indian country professionals, not just OVC TVSSA grantees. The conference will start again at 1:00 PM on the afternoon of December 10th and will continue through December 13th at the Palm Springs Convention Center on the reservation of the Agua Caliente Band of Cahuilla Indians in Palm Springs, California.
As a reminder, all current OVC, TVSSA and CTAS Purpose Area 6 grantees are required to send two staff members to the conference. The conference website and registration link has been added to the chat. You can find the agenda, the list of speakers, and suggested hotels on the site as well. We are pretty much at the end of the webinar. Any additional questions at this time?
KIMBERLY WOODARD: Yeah, there are several questions that are pending. Our service area is huge and includes Tribal and non-tribal members whom we all assist. How do we account for this in the pop cert? So again, every applicant, every Tribe is able to define its service area and its service population.
I'm not sure how your Tribe defines its service area. Some Tribes limit it to the exterior boundaries of the reservation. Others go by county. There are a lot of different ways to define it.
I think as you heard previously, you should be using something that is consistent with how you have historically defined your service area. It should be consistent with what you've told us in the past, it should be consistent with how you define it when you're seeking federal funding from other agencies.
But you can serve anyone who lives within your population service area. If that is how you are defining it, then it is incumbent upon you to find a source to back up that data. So, it's one thing to go to Tribal enrollment and say, how many enrolled members do we have? You can do that.
If you are saying that your service area extends across multiple counties, then you need to perhaps look at the US Census or some other data source. But remember, the data source that you use has to be specific and it has to be auditable because every aspect of the application process is subject to audit.
And if your application is selected for an audit, those auditors are going to be looking to see where you got that data from and you need to have that on hand and you need to be able to show them, they need to be able to go and find it. Just keep all of that in mind as you are determining some of the data that you are going to enter into your form.
RAMESA PITTS: Any other questions, Kimberly? Tanya?
KIMBERLY WOODARD: So, I don't see any further questions pending at this time, but again, if you have questions that come up in the next several minutes, we will still be here to answer those questions. Otherwise, if you have questions that come up later, please submit them to the OVC Tribal Set-Aside email address, which I believe is also in the chat.
RAMESA PITTS: Okay, with that said, thank you Tanya and Kimberly for monitoring the Q&A and answering the questions. And I would also like to thank all of the presenters for today. We have reached the end of today's webinar. On behalf of OVC, we'd like to thank each of you for joining us today.
Please remember to submit your pop cert form by no later than 11:59 PM Alaska time on Friday, January 17th, 2025, and submit any questions or concerns about the TVSSA program to the OVC Tribal Set-Aside email address. And so once again, thank you and each of you enjoy the rest of your day. Take care.